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	<title>Comments on: Cost-Shifting: Government vs. the Uninsured</title>
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		<title>By: AtheistConservative</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/cost-shifting-government-vs-the-uninsured/comment-page-1/#comment-46840</link>
		<dc:creator>AtheistConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Look at who paid the supposedly respected Milliman firm &quot;

I&#039;ve never understood this reaction. Well, that&#039;s a lie - I understand it. It&#039;s what your type trots out whenever the facts disagree with you. Those facts can&#039;t be real! Someone I disagree with PAID for them to be published!

By your logic, any argument for government-run health care that uses numbers provided by the government cannot be accepted.

Either show proof that their numbers are wrong, or just accept reality. I know it&#039;s tough for left-wingers, but give it a try. It&#039;s refreshing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Look at who paid the supposedly respected Milliman firm &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood this reaction. Well, that&#8217;s a lie &#8211; I understand it. It&#8217;s what your type trots out whenever the facts disagree with you. Those facts can&#8217;t be real! Someone I disagree with PAID for them to be published!</p>
<p>By your logic, any argument for government-run health care that uses numbers provided by the government cannot be accepted.</p>
<p>Either show proof that their numbers are wrong, or just accept reality. I know it&#8217;s tough for left-wingers, but give it a try. It&#8217;s refreshing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/cost-shifting-government-vs-the-uninsured/comment-page-1/#comment-42221</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My scientific impression: What a piece of crap that supposedly passes for a study! Look at who paid the supposedly respected Milliman firm for this study. The conclusions could have been predicted a la Karnac... head to closed report cover!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My scientific impression: What a piece of crap that supposedly passes for a study! Look at who paid the supposedly respected Milliman firm for this study. The conclusions could have been predicted a la Karnac&#8230; head to closed report cover!</p>
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		<title>By: Jahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;m not following the math. How do you get from the first paragraph to the second? How is half the loss 6 billion? For that matter why is the full loss 12 billion? Why is the loss not the total of the four numbers in the first paragraph (34.8+14.1+16.2+23.7=88.8 billion)? How do the percentages of greater cost in the first paragraph come in to play? Where does the 1/5 come from? If somebody could clarify, I&#039;d really appreciate it. Related: &quot;It&#039;s not the uninsured, stupid!&quot; http://www.tcsdaily.com/Article.aspx?id=041807A Michael Canon, CATO institute &quot;Don&#039;t blame the uninsured&quot; &#160;http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2007/mar/05/health/chi-0703050148mar05 John R. Graham, Pacific Research Institute</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#39;m not following the math. How do you get from the first paragraph to the second? How is half the loss 6 billion? For that matter why is the full loss 12 billion? Why is the loss not the total of the four numbers in the first paragraph (34.8+14.1+16.2+23.7=88.8 billion)? How do the percentages of greater cost in the first paragraph come in to play? Where does the 1/5 come from? If somebody could clarify, I&#39;d really appreciate it. Related: &quot;It&#39;s not the uninsured, stupid!&quot; <a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/Article.aspx?id=041807A" rel="nofollow">http://www.tcsdaily.com/Article.aspx?id=041807A</a> Michael Canon, CATO institute &quot;Don&#39;t blame the uninsured&quot; &nbsp;<a href="http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2007/mar/05/health/chi-0703050148mar05" rel="nofollow">http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2007/mar/05/health/chi-0703050148mar05</a> John R. Graham, Pacific Research Institute</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...what Medicare pays is what it costs an efficiently run hospital...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I could believe that it pays the marginal costs, leaving the rest of us to pick up the fixed costs. Otherwise nobody would accept Medicare patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;what Medicare pays is what it costs an efficiently run hospital&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>I could believe that it pays the marginal costs, leaving the rest of us to pick up the fixed costs. Otherwise nobody would accept Medicare patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the private payers pay more. But not everyone thinks that Medicare pays too little. Pat Rooney argued (in the book reviewed at this site somewhere) that what Medicare pays is what it costs an efficiently run hospital to provide the care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the private payers pay more. But not everyone thinks that Medicare pays too little. Pat Rooney argued (in the book reviewed at this site somewhere) that what Medicare pays is what it costs an efficiently run hospital to provide the care.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also amazing that the hospitals make such a big deal about uncompensated care, but are much less vocal about Medicare and Medicaid underpayment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also amazing that the hospitals make such a big deal about uncompensated care, but are much less vocal about Medicare and Medicaid underpayment.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point. And think how much more cost shifting there will be if (ala Obama) 100 million more people are paying Medicare rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point. And think how much more cost shifting there will be if (ala Obama) 100 million more people are paying Medicare rates.</p>
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