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	<title>Comments on: More Insurance Equals More Spending</title>
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		<title>By: Linda Gorman</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/more-insurance-equals-more-spending/comment-page-1/#comment-70953</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Manning et al. American Economic Review, June 1987, the RAND Health Insurance Experiment documented that &quot;A catastrophic insurance plan reduces expenditures 31 percent relative to zero out-of-pocket price.&quot; 

We see similar reductions in current consumer directed health groups and in the Cash &amp; Counseling type experiments that have been done in Medicaid. The Medicaid results are for those who are chronically ill.

By current health care policy standards these are substantial reductions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Manning et al. American Economic Review, June 1987, the RAND Health Insurance Experiment documented that &#8220;A catastrophic insurance plan reduces expenditures 31 percent relative to zero out-of-pocket price.&#8221; </p>
<p>We see similar reductions in current consumer directed health groups and in the Cash &amp; Counseling type experiments that have been done in Medicaid. The Medicaid results are for those who are chronically ill.</p>
<p>By current health care policy standards these are substantial reductions.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of people in HSAs in my area is small, less than 5%. We tried to introduce it as an option for my group, but those with children or spouses who were currently undergoing significant care shot it down.

  I am familiar with the RAND study. My interpretation is that it did modestly reduce costs for those who were healthy. We have no idea what would happen with large scale implementation, including those who are actually sick. For years I have hoped that a pro-free market state, someplace like Texas, would make this experiment on a state wide basis. 

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of people in HSAs in my area is small, less than 5%. We tried to introduce it as an option for my group, but those with children or spouses who were currently undergoing significant care shot it down.</p>
<p>  I am familiar with the RAND study. My interpretation is that it did modestly reduce costs for those who were healthy. We have no idea what would happen with large scale implementation, including those who are actually sick. For years I have hoped that a pro-free market state, someplace like Texas, would make this experiment on a state wide basis. </p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve-- 

Large scale study designed to avoid selection bias: RAND Health Insurance Experiment.

On patients not behaving like rational actors--what fraction of the patients you see are actually insured under qualified high deductible plans and have HSAs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&#8211; </p>
<p>Large scale study designed to avoid selection bias: RAND Health Insurance Experiment.</p>
<p>On patients not behaving like rational actors&#8211;what fraction of the patients you see are actually insured under qualified high deductible plans and have HSAs?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do people in health care seem to know so little about economics? Or maybe more to the point, why do they seem to think that economic incentives don’t matter?&quot;

  Many of us do, however we also work with patients. Many if not most patients do not behave like rational actors when it comes to making the biggest decisions. After about the hundredth time of offering a safer and cheaper alternative only to have it rejected for a riskier option, you catch on. You also begin to understand how emotionally vulnerable people are when it comes time to make these decisions. 

  When you first think about things like HSAs, they seem to make sense. Then, you learn some economic theory, couple it with how medical spending actually occurs, who spends it and on what, and you begin to have second thoughts. Before making a widespread commitment, it should have some large scale studies designed to avoid selection bias.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do people in health care seem to know so little about economics? Or maybe more to the point, why do they seem to think that economic incentives don’t matter?&#8221;</p>
<p>  Many of us do, however we also work with patients. Many if not most patients do not behave like rational actors when it comes to making the biggest decisions. After about the hundredth time of offering a safer and cheaper alternative only to have it rejected for a riskier option, you catch on. You also begin to understand how emotionally vulnerable people are when it comes time to make these decisions. </p>
<p>  When you first think about things like HSAs, they seem to make sense. Then, you learn some economic theory, couple it with how medical spending actually occurs, who spends it and on what, and you begin to have second thoughts. Before making a widespread commitment, it should have some large scale studies designed to avoid selection bias.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Larry C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people in health care seem to know so little about economics? Or maybe more to the point, why do they seem to think that economic incentives don&#039;t matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people in health care seem to know so little about economics? Or maybe more to the point, why do they seem to think that economic incentives don&#8217;t matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right when you say Congress didn&#039;t consider these responses. Although the mainstream media ignored the fact, there was never even a Congressional hearing on Obama Care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right when you say Congress didn&#8217;t consider these responses. Although the mainstream media ignored the fact, there was never even a Congressional hearing on Obama Care!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a timely post. See the comment by artk on the previous post and my response to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a timely post. See the comment by artk on the previous post and my response to it.</p>
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