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		<title>By: Aaron Simpson</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/obamacare-with-lipstick/comment-page-1/#comment-81646</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tea Party Guide to Health &amp; Fitness - http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/10/21/tea-party-guide-health-fitness/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tea Party Guide to Health &amp; Fitness &#8211; <a href="http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/10/21/tea-party-guide-health-fitness/" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/10/21/tea-party-guide-health-fitness/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arnie Poutala</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/obamacare-with-lipstick/comment-page-1/#comment-55062</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnie Poutala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see if I really understand the federal cost impact of this blog piece because, other than John Stossell commenting on it, I have not seen any other mention.

It seems to me that companies with less than 50 employees are financially incented to drop group insurance because they can budget their taxes for not providing coverage and the employee (and family) is better off with the larger federal subsidy, about 17,000 for a family with $30,000 of annual income.

I believe when CBO scored the bill, they assumed that no small employer would drop insurance so they have drastically underestimated the federal cost due to the change in behavior of dropping coverage.  Am I correct about this?

If I am correct, is there a way for Hewitt or some other like firm to rescore the bill assuming a lot of small employers will drop coverage?  I would think that the federal cost would sky-rocket and scare some in congress enough that they would not support the bill(s)now being considered.

Thanks,
Arnie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see if I really understand the federal cost impact of this blog piece because, other than John Stossell commenting on it, I have not seen any other mention.</p>
<p>It seems to me that companies with less than 50 employees are financially incented to drop group insurance because they can budget their taxes for not providing coverage and the employee (and family) is better off with the larger federal subsidy, about 17,000 for a family with $30,000 of annual income.</p>
<p>I believe when CBO scored the bill, they assumed that no small employer would drop insurance so they have drastically underestimated the federal cost due to the change in behavior of dropping coverage.  Am I correct about this?</p>
<p>If I am correct, is there a way for Hewitt or some other like firm to rescore the bill assuming a lot of small employers will drop coverage?  I would think that the federal cost would sky-rocket and scare some in congress enough that they would not support the bill(s)now being considered.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Arnie</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Timmins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Timmins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Thomas L. suggests, the &quot;reconciliation&quot; issue is irrelevant, and it is not even part of the democrat game plan.  If Pelosi can bribe her minions into voting on the Senate bill, we are going to have the Obama signing it into law immediately.  Reconciliation? They don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; reconcilation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Thomas L. suggests, the &#8220;reconciliation&#8221; issue is irrelevant, and it is not even part of the democrat game plan.  If Pelosi can bribe her minions into voting on the Senate bill, we are going to have the Obama signing it into law immediately.  Reconciliation? They don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; reconcilation.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/obamacare-with-lipstick/comment-page-1/#comment-54712</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all miss the point!

Obama isn&#039;t trying to &quot;save&quot; our healthcare system, he is trying to replace it and there is no better or faster way to do this than by increasing the rate of failure to require it to have to be replaced.
 
Obama has always said he supports a single pay system that the rest of the World has, which provides better care for less and seeks to make this happen simply by increasing amounts the government spends and forcing cuts that adversely effect all other government programs. It is a shrewd yet effective way to gain a place in history, but he fails to realize that in doing this he will end up historically in a place that isn&#039;t one of glory.

What he fails to realize is that healthcare isn&#039;t a financial process, but is one of highly trained and experienced people applying skills. We have half the number of physicians and other providers that other countries do and as the &quot;boomer generation&quot; TV show pointed out, the largest numbers of these providers come from that era. When and if providing care becomes simply a financial matter, how many of the majority of providers who do not have financial need will &quot;stay the course&quot; and continue to practice in a government run program that satisfies no one. And if the supply of providers isn&#039;t maintained, how do we &quot;produce&quot; millions of trained and experienced people to replace them? 

Obama or someone close to him or his administration will eventually realize that destroying a flawed system to replace it with one that has no chance of success will not advance care in our country. If not soon, it will be a known commodity before the next Presidential election. And when it does, where will he spend the rest of his years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all miss the point!</p>
<p>Obama isn&#8217;t trying to &#8220;save&#8221; our healthcare system, he is trying to replace it and there is no better or faster way to do this than by increasing the rate of failure to require it to have to be replaced.</p>
<p>Obama has always said he supports a single pay system that the rest of the World has, which provides better care for less and seeks to make this happen simply by increasing amounts the government spends and forcing cuts that adversely effect all other government programs. It is a shrewd yet effective way to gain a place in history, but he fails to realize that in doing this he will end up historically in a place that isn&#8217;t one of glory.</p>
<p>What he fails to realize is that healthcare isn&#8217;t a financial process, but is one of highly trained and experienced people applying skills. We have half the number of physicians and other providers that other countries do and as the &#8220;boomer generation&#8221; TV show pointed out, the largest numbers of these providers come from that era. When and if providing care becomes simply a financial matter, how many of the majority of providers who do not have financial need will &#8220;stay the course&#8221; and continue to practice in a government run program that satisfies no one. And if the supply of providers isn&#8217;t maintained, how do we &#8220;produce&#8221; millions of trained and experienced people to replace them? </p>
<p>Obama or someone close to him or his administration will eventually realize that destroying a flawed system to replace it with one that has no chance of success will not advance care in our country. If not soon, it will be a known commodity before the next Presidential election. And when it does, where will he spend the rest of his years?</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Kristeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Kristeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to last night’s open conference call sponsored by the Heritage Foundation. It included very well organized opening remarks by my very long time friend Congressman Tom Price. He labeled the President’s description of the contents of his Health System Reform Bill as “mischaracterization” 
The Congressman, who inappropriately blurted out during the State of the Union Message you will recall, said it more directly. 
The President said to Senator McCain, during the recent Health Care Summit, “the campaign is over.” The same holds true for the President.
Those who have studied the Health System Reform proposals incorporated into pending legislation, particularly AMA Leaders and all physicians, must speak out loudly when there is a clear discrepancy between the written word and the pronouncements of politicians.
Purposefully deceiving the American People on the issue of Health System Reform is an outrage and must be exposed by presenting the facts. This is a responsibility of the Profession.
Respectfully, 
Ralph Kristeller

P.S. I am, and have been for many years, and unaffiliated voter who votes regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to last night’s open conference call sponsored by the Heritage Foundation. It included very well organized opening remarks by my very long time friend Congressman Tom Price. He labeled the President’s description of the contents of his Health System Reform Bill as “mischaracterization”<br />
The Congressman, who inappropriately blurted out during the State of the Union Message you will recall, said it more directly.<br />
The President said to Senator McCain, during the recent Health Care Summit, “the campaign is over.” The same holds true for the President.<br />
Those who have studied the Health System Reform proposals incorporated into pending legislation, particularly AMA Leaders and all physicians, must speak out loudly when there is a clear discrepancy between the written word and the pronouncements of politicians.<br />
Purposefully deceiving the American People on the issue of Health System Reform is an outrage and must be exposed by presenting the facts. This is a responsibility of the Profession.<br />
Respectfully,<br />
Ralph Kristeller</p>
<p>P.S. I am, and have been for many years, and unaffiliated voter who votes regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Epstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief.  The budgets are completely misshapen relative to market preferences.  You can bankrupt a nation with this baby.

(See my Forbes.com blog post titled, &quot;No Small Ambitions: The social abyss beyond the president&#039;s health care summit&quot; by following this URL: http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/01/health-care-summit-obama-opinions-columnists-richard-a-epstein.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief.  The budgets are completely misshapen relative to market preferences.  You can bankrupt a nation with this baby.</p>
<p>(See my Forbes.com blog post titled, &#8220;No Small Ambitions: The social abyss beyond the president&#8217;s health care summit&#8221; by following this URL: <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/01/health-care-summit-obama-opinions-columnists-richard-a-epstein.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/01/health-care-summit-obama-opinions-columnists-richard-a-epstein.html</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Bachman</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/obamacare-with-lipstick/comment-page-1/#comment-54638</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Bachman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was clear that the Dem tactics were: (1)say that they agree with Rep. concepts, state that they are all in the Dem bill, and declare that they are not that far apart; (2) have Obama respond to all Rep charges so that the time did not count agaist the Dems while the president was their chief defender.

I suggest that the Rep have a press conference and hold up 6 of their ideas (as stated in the summit) and ask the Dems to pick out 6 of their most critical items from the Senat/House bills.  Together they can write acceptable bipartisan legislation.  The theme might be 6+6=Bipartianship

The restated idea of starting over with a blank sheet did not resonate well as an alternative.  The same thing coul have been accomplished with a specific offer of equal ideas being hashed out as a bipartisan initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was clear that the Dem tactics were: (1)say that they agree with Rep. concepts, state that they are all in the Dem bill, and declare that they are not that far apart; (2) have Obama respond to all Rep charges so that the time did not count agaist the Dems while the president was their chief defender.</p>
<p>I suggest that the Rep have a press conference and hold up 6 of their ideas (as stated in the summit) and ask the Dems to pick out 6 of their most critical items from the Senat/House bills.  Together they can write acceptable bipartisan legislation.  The theme might be 6+6=Bipartianship</p>
<p>The restated idea of starting over with a blank sheet did not resonate well as an alternative.  The same thing coul have been accomplished with a specific offer of equal ideas being hashed out as a bipartisan initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: DonaH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonaH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom H and Blackadder both touched on something important. Why is neither side talking about this?--because they both have the goal to get employers out of the health insurance business. It is disastrous for our economy in competing with other nations among other things. But the people have and will cry bloody murder against that (which is why I&#039;m disappointed with GOP for not explaining it up front.) 
   The way to get there is what they&#039;re fighting over. Obama etal want to do it thru mass destruction and govt takeover. The other side wants to do it gradually and much less painfully, by removing the perverse incentives that Gov has caused in the first place and stimulating more private sector economic activity toward fixing the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom H and Blackadder both touched on something important. Why is neither side talking about this?&#8211;because they both have the goal to get employers out of the health insurance business. It is disastrous for our economy in competing with other nations among other things. But the people have and will cry bloody murder against that (which is why I&#8217;m disappointed with GOP for not explaining it up front.)<br />
   The way to get there is what they&#8217;re fighting over. Obama etal want to do it thru mass destruction and govt takeover. The other side wants to do it gradually and much less painfully, by removing the perverse incentives that Gov has caused in the first place and stimulating more private sector economic activity toward fixing the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasL</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/obamacare-with-lipstick/comment-page-1/#comment-54624</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Call me determined. I don’t think that plan is going through.  Budget reconciliation cannot be used when...&quot;

There is another option which I have read and I am starting tho think is very likely.  A &quot;bait and switch&quot; by the Senate Dems on the House Dems.  Step #1 in this particular reconciliation is for the House to pass the (already-passed) Senate bill.  Then the House starts their shenanigans with a second bill which effectively amends the first bill.  This second bill then has to pass the Senate, and _that_ is the bill that would be done with &quot;budget reconciliation.&quot;

The Senate, after the House votes on bill #1, could just say, &quot;Yay!  We passed the perfect health care plan.  All done!&quot; and totally ignore the second bill.  That hangs the House Dems out to dry, but it is also much prettier for the Senate.  No Biden overriding the parliamentarian, no drawn out, ugly amendment process, no abuse of the Byrd rule.  

To prevent this con, Obama would have to commit not to sign bill #1 unless and until bill #2 also passes, which I don&#039;t think he will do, or at least I&#039;m not sure he would be believed even if he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Call me determined. I don’t think that plan is going through.  Budget reconciliation cannot be used when&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There is another option which I have read and I am starting tho think is very likely.  A &#8220;bait and switch&#8221; by the Senate Dems on the House Dems.  Step #1 in this particular reconciliation is for the House to pass the (already-passed) Senate bill.  Then the House starts their shenanigans with a second bill which effectively amends the first bill.  This second bill then has to pass the Senate, and _that_ is the bill that would be done with &#8220;budget reconciliation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Senate, after the House votes on bill #1, could just say, &#8220;Yay!  We passed the perfect health care plan.  All done!&#8221; and totally ignore the second bill.  That hangs the House Dems out to dry, but it is also much prettier for the Senate.  No Biden overriding the parliamentarian, no drawn out, ugly amendment process, no abuse of the Byrd rule.  </p>
<p>To prevent this con, Obama would have to commit not to sign bill #1 unless and until bill #2 also passes, which I don&#8217;t think he will do, or at least I&#8217;m not sure he would be believed even if he did.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R. Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future looks like this: Every worker who earns total compensation below $90,000 will get it through an exchange or Medicaid.  Those who earn $90K+ will still get employer-based benefits.  Is this beginning to look a little like the German system?

However, a twenty-person firm might have only one or two people who earn over $90K.  The administrative costs, per beneficiary, of employer-based benefits will surely explode, making it more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future looks like this: Every worker who earns total compensation below $90,000 will get it through an exchange or Medicaid.  Those who earn $90K+ will still get employer-based benefits.  Is this beginning to look a little like the German system?</p>
<p>However, a twenty-person firm might have only one or two people who earn over $90K.  The administrative costs, per beneficiary, of employer-based benefits will surely explode, making it more expensive.</p>
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