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		<title>By: Joel H</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/short-term-uninsurance-the-problem-no-one-is-trying-to-solve/comment-page-1/#comment-81940</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a solution: everyone that has payed into the Medicare system for some minimum period of time, say 5 years, should have catastrophic coverage from Medicare, for medical bills over some amount, say $20,000, during times of involuntary unemployment resulting in no insurance. If Medicare taxes have to go up some, fine with me. Probably wouldn&#039;t be very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a solution: everyone that has payed into the Medicare system for some minimum period of time, say 5 years, should have catastrophic coverage from Medicare, for medical bills over some amount, say $20,000, during times of involuntary unemployment resulting in no insurance. If Medicare taxes have to go up some, fine with me. Probably wouldn&#8217;t be very much.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Maggie Mahar:

You state: &quot;In the Exchange, you automatically become part of a group, and so rates would be much lower than they would be if you tried to purchase your own individual insurance.&quot;

You make that statment as if it is true for the entire population.  Sure, for older, less healthy individuals that holds true.  But for younger or healthier individuals, your statement would often be incorrect.

Not only is it enough that liberals want to transfer wealth and income from the relatively rich to the relatively poor, but they now want to transfer income from healthy to unhealthy individuals via community rating.

Have you ever bothered to read Adam Smith.....&quot;Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.&quot;

If I were to error in developing public policy that will effect every American either now or in the future, I would error on the side of encouraging healthier behavior.  How?  The same way car insurers encourage better driving, by allowing actuaries and underwriters to do their jobs and assess risk at the individual level.  Only then will people be held accountable for their unhealthy behavior.  SKIN IN THE GAME!

Liberals, in their fantasy world, are dying to hold bankers accountable for risky loans via higher underwriting standards and higher capital requirements (or even compensation tied to long-term value of equity shares), yet when it comes to the health behavior of individuals, where are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Maggie Mahar:</p>
<p>You state: &#8220;In the Exchange, you automatically become part of a group, and so rates would be much lower than they would be if you tried to purchase your own individual insurance.&#8221;</p>
<p>You make that statment as if it is true for the entire population.  Sure, for older, less healthy individuals that holds true.  But for younger or healthier individuals, your statement would often be incorrect.</p>
<p>Not only is it enough that liberals want to transfer wealth and income from the relatively rich to the relatively poor, but they now want to transfer income from healthy to unhealthy individuals via community rating.</p>
<p>Have you ever bothered to read Adam Smith&#8230;..&#8221;Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I were to error in developing public policy that will effect every American either now or in the future, I would error on the side of encouraging healthier behavior.  How?  The same way car insurers encourage better driving, by allowing actuaries and underwriters to do their jobs and assess risk at the individual level.  Only then will people be held accountable for their unhealthy behavior.  SKIN IN THE GAME!</p>
<p>Liberals, in their fantasy world, are dying to hold bankers accountable for risky loans via higher underwriting standards and higher capital requirements (or even compensation tied to long-term value of equity shares), yet when it comes to the health behavior of individuals, where are they?</p>
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		<title>By: henrylow</title>
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		<dc:creator>henrylow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small Business owners are largely forgotten. Thats why I only focus on them. I have experience several members of my family file bankruptcy due to small business failures. I also I suffered through 2 destroyed businesses due to failure however, in my failings I have learned some of the secrets to success. (Who can say they know it all?)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small Business owners are largely forgotten. Thats why I only focus on them. I have experience several members of my family file bankruptcy due to small business failures. I also I suffered through 2 destroyed businesses due to failure however, in my failings I have learned some of the secrets to success. (Who can say they know it all?)</p>
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		<title>By: The Senate Health Bill &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Senate Health Bill &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and this estimate is probably too optimistic, given the very fluid nature of uninsurance (see here and here). Up to one out of every four seniors will either lose the plan they now have or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and this estimate is probably too optimistic, given the very fluid nature of uninsurance (see here and here). Up to one out of every four seniors will either lose the plan they now have or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Health Reform Will Make Health Insurance More Expensive for Individuals &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Health Reform Will Make Health Insurance More Expensive for Individuals &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] employment, get married, get divorced, have a child, or have a child leave home. And as my Health Alert pointed out, the bills before Congress have no mechanism for dealing with the problem of short-term [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] employment, get married, get divorced, have a child, or have a child leave home. And as my Health Alert pointed out, the bills before Congress have no mechanism for dealing with the problem of short-term [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Mahar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Mahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John--

Under the House bill, if you leave/lose your job and are temporarily uninsured, you can go into the Insurnace Exchange where you can purchase private insurance or the public plan.

In the Exchange, you automatically become part of a group, and so rates would be much lower than they would be if you tried to purchase your own individual insurance.

Once in the Exchange, you can stay there until you&#039;re 65 (an elligible for Medicare) --even if your &quot;circumstances change&quot; (i.e.you get a job that offers insurance.)

I double-checked this with the House Education Committee, so I&#039;m quite sure it&#039;s correct.

This is one reason why many, many more people will be eligible for the Exchange (and for the public plan) than CBO acknowledges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211;</p>
<p>Under the House bill, if you leave/lose your job and are temporarily uninsured, you can go into the Insurnace Exchange where you can purchase private insurance or the public plan.</p>
<p>In the Exchange, you automatically become part of a group, and so rates would be much lower than they would be if you tried to purchase your own individual insurance.</p>
<p>Once in the Exchange, you can stay there until you&#8217;re 65 (an elligible for Medicare) &#8211;even if your &#8220;circumstances change&#8221; (i.e.you get a job that offers insurance.)</p>
<p>I double-checked this with the House Education Committee, so I&#8217;m quite sure it&#8217;s correct.</p>
<p>This is one reason why many, many more people will be eligible for the Exchange (and for the public plan) than CBO acknowledges.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What 65% mandate?  This money is reimbursed by the federal government, in the form of a direct reduction in payroll taxes.

Although I&#039;ve been wondering how this is handled with state COBRA-equivalents such as Cal-COBRA, when the individual writes the check directly to the insurance company.  I&#039;ve seen this with Kaiser-- it passes the credit directly to the consumer, but to get reimbursed, does it have to claim the credit against it&#039;s own employees&#039; payroll taxes?  That&#039;s what the language in the stimulus bill seems to require.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What 65% mandate?  This money is reimbursed by the federal government, in the form of a direct reduction in payroll taxes.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ve been wondering how this is handled with state COBRA-equivalents such as Cal-COBRA, when the individual writes the check directly to the insurance company.  I&#8217;ve seen this with Kaiser&#8211; it passes the credit directly to the consumer, but to get reimbursed, does it have to claim the credit against it&#8217;s own employees&#8217; payroll taxes?  That&#8217;s what the language in the stimulus bill seems to require.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want an easy fix?  Just add COBRA reimbursement financing to the federal and state unemployment programs.  They are going to buy lots of votes with the current extension of benefits.  Most of my employer clients are LIVID about the 65% mandate of employee and dependents COBRA costs on the to the back of the employer.  SEIU is already gearing up to add over 650,000 new members as all of the health insurance agents are put out of business.  This was going to be a combined deal with ACORN until some of the illegal activities came back to bite the for awhile at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want an easy fix?  Just add COBRA reimbursement financing to the federal and state unemployment programs.  They are going to buy lots of votes with the current extension of benefits.  Most of my employer clients are LIVID about the 65% mandate of employee and dependents COBRA costs on the to the back of the employer.  SEIU is already gearing up to add over 650,000 new members as all of the health insurance agents are put out of business.  This was going to be a combined deal with ACORN until some of the illegal activities came back to bite the for awhile at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, H.Carroll.  I have no idea whether the loss ratio is 150 or 350%; either seems plausible enough to me.

I think small business plans are usually age-banded, so age may not be an issue here.  In this case I think adverse selection would be largely due to tax treatment.  The tax exclusion more-or-less compensates healthy employees for bearing the high cost of group coverage.  When they go on COBRA, the tax exclusion is gone, and there is now a definite advantage to shopping for individual coverage.  So only sicker employees remain.  I think tax treatment has to be the culprit, since that&#039;s the only thing that&#039;s changed with the layoff.

I&#039;m not as familiar with large-company practices.  But where COBRA is not age-banded, you&#039;d be hard-pressed to keep young healthy people from dropping it even with equitable tax treatment (then again, maybe that&#039;s why the temporary COBRA tax credit is so high, at 65%).  I expect that during their employment, the non-age-adjusted cost would have been mostly accounting fiction, compensated by adjustments in salary etc.  But there&#039;s no way to continue the fiction when the ex-employee has to write an actual COBRA check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, H.Carroll.  I have no idea whether the loss ratio is 150 or 350%; either seems plausible enough to me.</p>
<p>I think small business plans are usually age-banded, so age may not be an issue here.  In this case I think adverse selection would be largely due to tax treatment.  The tax exclusion more-or-less compensates healthy employees for bearing the high cost of group coverage.  When they go on COBRA, the tax exclusion is gone, and there is now a definite advantage to shopping for individual coverage.  So only sicker employees remain.  I think tax treatment has to be the culprit, since that&#8217;s the only thing that&#8217;s changed with the layoff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not as familiar with large-company practices.  But where COBRA is not age-banded, you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to keep young healthy people from dropping it even with equitable tax treatment (then again, maybe that&#8217;s why the temporary COBRA tax credit is so high, at 65%).  I expect that during their employment, the non-age-adjusted cost would have been mostly accounting fiction, compensated by adjustments in salary etc.  But there&#8217;s no way to continue the fiction when the ex-employee has to write an actual COBRA check.</p>
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		<title>By: H.Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart - excellent observations on COBRA, as well as tax treatment issue.  Actually, the 350% loss ratio on COBRA experience figure referred to earlier is, based on more recent studies I have seen, a bit dated.  The current studies indicate more like about 150%.  And considering that the COBRA premium is based on the employer rate averaged over the entire employee age spread, and people who &quot;take&quot; COBRA probably average older (or sicker, yes) than the average employee age, much of the loss is generated by that old bugaboo &quot;age factor&quot; than necessarily from ill health.  Certainly, the earliest years of COBRA were rampant with anti-selection, and it is still true that current COBRA population is &quot;sicker&quot; than the active group, but the reasons may be harder to pin down.  It will be interesting to see if the subsidy for COBRA premiums lowers or increases the COBRA loss ratio as measured against the employer premium base.  I think the &quot;COBRA as transition&quot; idea is one that can be improved/smoothed/made more consistent and logical rather than creating an entirely new bunch of policies for temporary gaps.  That is always an option, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart &#8211; excellent observations on COBRA, as well as tax treatment issue.  Actually, the 350% loss ratio on COBRA experience figure referred to earlier is, based on more recent studies I have seen, a bit dated.  The current studies indicate more like about 150%.  And considering that the COBRA premium is based on the employer rate averaged over the entire employee age spread, and people who &#8220;take&#8221; COBRA probably average older (or sicker, yes) than the average employee age, much of the loss is generated by that old bugaboo &#8220;age factor&#8221; than necessarily from ill health.  Certainly, the earliest years of COBRA were rampant with anti-selection, and it is still true that current COBRA population is &#8220;sicker&#8221; than the active group, but the reasons may be harder to pin down.  It will be interesting to see if the subsidy for COBRA premiums lowers or increases the COBRA loss ratio as measured against the employer premium base.  I think the &#8220;COBRA as transition&#8221; idea is one that can be improved/smoothed/made more consistent and logical rather than creating an entirely new bunch of policies for temporary gaps.  That is always an option, of course.</p>
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