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		<title>By: Quality Competition &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quality Competition &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like in Canada. In such an environment, quality improvements do not increase provider income and quality degradation does not decrease it. That’s why so much of the health care system resembles the Department of Motor [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like in Canada. In such an environment, quality improvements do not increase provider income and quality degradation does not decrease it. That’s why so much of the health care system resembles the Department of Motor [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Medical Highways &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/squeezing-the-providers-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-50635</link>
		<dc:creator>Medical Highways &#124; John Goodman &#124; NCPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have produced had they not gone into medicine. [See the explanation in previous Alerts here and here.] So rationing by waiting doubles the cost: We now pay $200 in real resources (the opportunity cost [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have produced had they not gone into medicine. [See the explanation in previous Alerts here and here.] So rationing by waiting doubles the cost: We now pay $200 in real resources (the opportunity cost [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie Fiedler</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/squeezing-the-providers-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-48770</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie Fiedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does a CT scan cost $1500?  Why is bloodwork $1000?  If it&#039;s just inflation then we&#039;re in REAL trouble here, because average (middle class) incomes are going down, not up!  The &quot;social costs&quot; of healthcare are more than probably most people will be able to bear, even in the short term ahead.  When a major illness or injury can wipe out a middle class family there is obviously a problem.  What do we do about THAT?  I wouldn&#039;t spend $30k on a new car, $250K on a house, because obviously I can&#039;t, but where do I get low-cost healthcare that I can actually afford?  Of course I&#039;m going to decline necessary treatment if I can&#039;t afford it, I wouldn&#039;t have a choice.  I guess if I&#039;m ever catastrophically ill I&#039;ll just make sure my life insurance is paid, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does a CT scan cost $1500?  Why is bloodwork $1000?  If it&#8217;s just inflation then we&#8217;re in REAL trouble here, because average (middle class) incomes are going down, not up!  The &#8220;social costs&#8221; of healthcare are more than probably most people will be able to bear, even in the short term ahead.  When a major illness or injury can wipe out a middle class family there is obviously a problem.  What do we do about THAT?  I wouldn&#8217;t spend $30k on a new car, $250K on a house, because obviously I can&#8217;t, but where do I get low-cost healthcare that I can actually afford?  Of course I&#8217;m going to decline necessary treatment if I can&#8217;t afford it, I wouldn&#8217;t have a choice.  I guess if I&#8217;m ever catastrophically ill I&#8217;ll just make sure my life insurance is paid, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes K.</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/squeezing-the-providers-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-48605</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent talk point that we should maybe get some think-tank to develope for us.
 
The statistics define &quot;for health care&quot; inaccurately.    The dollars may be spent in the health care field and have almost nothing to do with health care itself...       It is meaningless to talk about the dollars spent if there is no way to assign a value to what is being purchased-- something only the market can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent talk point that we should maybe get some think-tank to develope for us.</p>
<p>The statistics define &#8220;for health care&#8221; inaccurately.    The dollars may be spent in the health care field and have almost nothing to do with health care itself&#8230;       It is meaningless to talk about the dollars spent if there is no way to assign a value to what is being purchased&#8211; something only the market can do.</p>
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		<title>By: hoads</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/squeezing-the-providers-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-48486</link>
		<dc:creator>hoads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dug through the NHE data a while back and I was shocked at what is included in this accounting and how our 17% GDP for healthcare costs is generated.  For example, the cost of new medical office buildings, $15 million per year to study Hansen&#039;s disease (leprosy) of which there are less than 200 cases per year in the US, huge luxury renovations at the CDC Center in Atlanta, terrorism response education &amp; preparation conducted by the CDC, of course, all the research at the NIH, but also medical research conducted at academic institutions, all kinds of alternative healthcare including naturopaths, acupuncture, yoga &amp; meditation (but not weight loss centers), sports medicine and therapies including those for professional sports teams and school sports physicals as well as pharmaceuticals and therapies for  &quot;learning disabled&quot; kids of which I&#039;m sure the US is #1.

I&#039;m not saying those shouldn&#039;t be part of an aggregate healthcare measurement however, because the US has had one of the highest levels of disposable income in the world, our healthcare costs reflect our discretionary healthcare expenditures as well as &quot;necessary&quot; healthcare costs and this artificially boosts our healthcare costs in comparison to other countries without our same level of disposable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dug through the NHE data a while back and I was shocked at what is included in this accounting and how our 17% GDP for healthcare costs is generated.  For example, the cost of new medical office buildings, $15 million per year to study Hansen&#8217;s disease (leprosy) of which there are less than 200 cases per year in the US, huge luxury renovations at the CDC Center in Atlanta, terrorism response education &amp; preparation conducted by the CDC, of course, all the research at the NIH, but also medical research conducted at academic institutions, all kinds of alternative healthcare including naturopaths, acupuncture, yoga &amp; meditation (but not weight loss centers), sports medicine and therapies including those for professional sports teams and school sports physicals as well as pharmaceuticals and therapies for  &#8220;learning disabled&#8221; kids of which I&#8217;m sure the US is #1.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying those shouldn&#8217;t be part of an aggregate healthcare measurement however, because the US has had one of the highest levels of disposable income in the world, our healthcare costs reflect our discretionary healthcare expenditures as well as &#8220;necessary&#8221; healthcare costs and this artificially boosts our healthcare costs in comparison to other countries without our same level of disposable income.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ewin, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Ewin, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John&#039;s point is well said:
&quot;Health care is a sector where normal market forces have been so suppressed that no one ever faces a real price for anything.&quot;

You can&#039;t squeeze H20 out of turnips.
Like our pharmacy colleagues for the past 30 years,
physicians and hospital payments have been suppressed for years. 
The reasons are well known (third parties),
and add to the annual begathon by the AMA (definition - A telethon or pledge drive repeated so often that it becomes a constant, shameless, begging for money).
There are more bean counters (in doctors&#039; offices/hospitals and TP&#039;s) than mosquitoes along the Amazon.
It&#039;s also a fee for service problem....If the doctor (primary care) doesn&#039;t see the patient, then he doesn&#039;t get paid even if it&#039;s a cash-paying fee for service practice.
Normal market forces are applied when physicians work directly for their patients and have pre-paid fees allowing unlimited access to care without the beancounters in the office or third party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8217;s point is well said:<br />
&#8220;Health care is a sector where normal market forces have been so suppressed that no one ever faces a real price for anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t squeeze H20 out of turnips.<br />
Like our pharmacy colleagues for the past 30 years,<br />
physicians and hospital payments have been suppressed for years.<br />
The reasons are well known (third parties),<br />
and add to the annual begathon by the AMA (definition &#8211; A telethon or pledge drive repeated so often that it becomes a constant, shameless, begging for money).<br />
There are more bean counters (in doctors&#8217; offices/hospitals and TP&#8217;s) than mosquitoes along the Amazon.<br />
It&#8217;s also a fee for service problem&#8230;.If the doctor (primary care) doesn&#8217;t see the patient, then he doesn&#8217;t get paid even if it&#8217;s a cash-paying fee for service practice.<br />
Normal market forces are applied when physicians work directly for their patients and have pre-paid fees allowing unlimited access to care without the beancounters in the office or third party.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/squeezing-the-providers-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-48482</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article and followup comments. In the research I have done internationally they don&#039;t report apples to apples. Kind of like off balance accounting.
Why doesn&#039;t technology reduce costs? 50% of the annual cost increases in health care are due to new devices and procedures. We just add and never take away and insurance just pays the charge.
This issue is well explored in the book HELP Your Health care Hanging in the Balance  www.robertblades.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article and followup comments. In the research I have done internationally they don&#8217;t report apples to apples. Kind of like off balance accounting.<br />
Why doesn&#8217;t technology reduce costs? 50% of the annual cost increases in health care are due to new devices and procedures. We just add and never take away and insurance just pays the charge.<br />
This issue is well explored in the book HELP Your Health care Hanging in the Balance  <a href="http://www.robertblades.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertblades.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Linda Gorman</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/squeezing-the-providers-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-48475</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technological advances do drive health care costs down. An MRI is a lot less expensive than exploratory surgery, for example. Vaccines are less expensive than treating the diseases that they prevent. Antibiotics have lowered the costs of treating certain infections.

Other examples include technological advances that have lowered the cost of vision correction surgery and have allowed the switch to minimally invasive surgery which obviates the need for a hospital stay. 

While technological advance may increase overall expenditure because more can be done to improve health and functioning, it isn&#039;t clear that it necessarily increases costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technological advances do drive health care costs down. An MRI is a lot less expensive than exploratory surgery, for example. Vaccines are less expensive than treating the diseases that they prevent. Antibiotics have lowered the costs of treating certain infections.</p>
<p>Other examples include technological advances that have lowered the cost of vision correction surgery and have allowed the switch to minimally invasive surgery which obviates the need for a hospital stay. </p>
<p>While technological advance may increase overall expenditure because more can be done to improve health and functioning, it isn&#8217;t clear that it necessarily increases costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except in instances where doctors are public employees, do other countries actually suppress doctors&#039; incomes are is it a cultural phenomenon where there simply are different expectations?  And why is healthcare the only area in which technological advances don&#039;t drive costs DOWN?  Just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except in instances where doctors are public employees, do other countries actually suppress doctors&#8217; incomes are is it a cultural phenomenon where there simply are different expectations?  And why is healthcare the only area in which technological advances don&#8217;t drive costs DOWN?  Just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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