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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following passage was taken from healthinsurance.org, FAQ page explaining the difference between individual and group insurance.  There has been a lot of debate about selling insurance &quot;across state lines.&quot;  The idea presented by many Conservatives is that increased competition within the health insurance industry will lower cost.  The concept of &quot;law of large numbers&quot; in the quoted article below seems to be contrary to the idea that competition will lower cost.  Insurers that compete and monopolize will have an advantage in balancing risk, rather than having a reduced risk pool for each of the competitive insurers.  Government administered, universal, single payer healthcare may be a large enough monopoly to ensure affordable healthcare.
  
&quot;Most group insurance, however, is issued without medical examination or other evidence of individual insurability because the insurer knows that it can cover enough individuals to balance those in poor health against those in good health. The risk of an insurer failing to achieve this balance is diminished as the size of the group increases, or as the insurer underwrites additional group policies and increases the total number of individuals covered. This is known as the &quot;law of large numbers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following passage was taken from healthinsurance.org, FAQ page explaining the difference between individual and group insurance.  There has been a lot of debate about selling insurance &#8220;across state lines.&#8221;  The idea presented by many Conservatives is that increased competition within the health insurance industry will lower cost.  The concept of &#8220;law of large numbers&#8221; in the quoted article below seems to be contrary to the idea that competition will lower cost.  Insurers that compete and monopolize will have an advantage in balancing risk, rather than having a reduced risk pool for each of the competitive insurers.  Government administered, universal, single payer healthcare may be a large enough monopoly to ensure affordable healthcare.</p>
<p>&#8220;Most group insurance, however, is issued without medical examination or other evidence of individual insurability because the insurer knows that it can cover enough individuals to balance those in poor health against those in good health. The risk of an insurer failing to achieve this balance is diminished as the size of the group increases, or as the insurer underwrites additional group policies and increases the total number of individuals covered. This is known as the &#8220;law of large numbers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 07:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What market incentive is there for private insurers to reduce medical costs?  As long as they can sell a policy that is profitable and affordable, who cares how much healthcare costs?  Insurers are deincentivized to reduce healthcare costs to a &quot;reasonable&quot; level.  &quot;Affordable&quot; healthcare negates the need for insurance.  

The incentive is in selling affordable, profitable policies.  As with cars, and every other free market good, you get what you pay for.  The car market ranges from $200 to $150,000 and up.  The major difference is that the decision to purchase a $200 auto doesn&#039;t effect the price of a $20,000 auto.  Secondly, the exclusive price of exotic cars has much less of an impact than being excluded from equally expensive medical procedures.  All of the extra costs of maintenance with the $200 car fall upon the owner almost exclusively. The decision to buy a cheap, later to be discovered inadequate, healthcare policy directly effects EVERYONE paying for insurance and or healthcare waiting for you to pay your high deductibles and co-pays.  Essentially, your unsecured, non-interest bearing loan from your provider is being paid for by all other policy holders.  Not to mention the uninsured effect on costs.  

As for healthcare providers, they may not be served well by a cash and carry pure market system that determines real, undistorted prices.  As long as big insurance and government continues to pay medical fees, I don&#039;t see much free market incentive for providers to reduce cost either. 

When new products and technologies emerge, no one knows the value until it is on the market.  Is a heart stent REALLY that expensive?  Use it to open an artery, priceless.  Use it to shape a vaccuum hose in an automobile, it may be marketed for much less, assuming that it could be used in that application. Point being, we consumers don&#039;t know and there is absolutely no motivation or obligation to inform us.  

Is anyone other than a physician qualified to determine the value of an MRI? (value of diagnostic data, not cost of machine)  They may be just as much the &quot;victim&quot; of pricing as we are in the true cost of healthcare.  We are most definitely a captive consumer when being rushed to the nearest hospital.  Considering the assymetric knowledge in the healthcare industry, insurers and providers have a distinct advantage in determining medical prices.     

Is it possible the opposition is simply a matter of not wanting to lose profits, packaged as a fight for &quot;freedom&quot;?  I would fight hard for my 12K salary, and I imagine everyone else would as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What market incentive is there for private insurers to reduce medical costs?  As long as they can sell a policy that is profitable and affordable, who cares how much healthcare costs?  Insurers are deincentivized to reduce healthcare costs to a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; level.  &#8220;Affordable&#8221; healthcare negates the need for insurance.  </p>
<p>The incentive is in selling affordable, profitable policies.  As with cars, and every other free market good, you get what you pay for.  The car market ranges from $200 to $150,000 and up.  The major difference is that the decision to purchase a $200 auto doesn&#8217;t effect the price of a $20,000 auto.  Secondly, the exclusive price of exotic cars has much less of an impact than being excluded from equally expensive medical procedures.  All of the extra costs of maintenance with the $200 car fall upon the owner almost exclusively. The decision to buy a cheap, later to be discovered inadequate, healthcare policy directly effects EVERYONE paying for insurance and or healthcare waiting for you to pay your high deductibles and co-pays.  Essentially, your unsecured, non-interest bearing loan from your provider is being paid for by all other policy holders.  Not to mention the uninsured effect on costs.  </p>
<p>As for healthcare providers, they may not be served well by a cash and carry pure market system that determines real, undistorted prices.  As long as big insurance and government continues to pay medical fees, I don&#8217;t see much free market incentive for providers to reduce cost either. </p>
<p>When new products and technologies emerge, no one knows the value until it is on the market.  Is a heart stent REALLY that expensive?  Use it to open an artery, priceless.  Use it to shape a vaccuum hose in an automobile, it may be marketed for much less, assuming that it could be used in that application. Point being, we consumers don&#8217;t know and there is absolutely no motivation or obligation to inform us.  </p>
<p>Is anyone other than a physician qualified to determine the value of an MRI? (value of diagnostic data, not cost of machine)  They may be just as much the &#8220;victim&#8221; of pricing as we are in the true cost of healthcare.  We are most definitely a captive consumer when being rushed to the nearest hospital.  Considering the assymetric knowledge in the healthcare industry, insurers and providers have a distinct advantage in determining medical prices.     </p>
<p>Is it possible the opposition is simply a matter of not wanting to lose profits, packaged as a fight for &#8220;freedom&#8221;?  I would fight hard for my 12K salary, and I imagine everyone else would as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-most-important-feature-of-obamacare-is-something-no-one-is-talking-about/comment-page-1/#comment-57621</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Getting off that path will require liberating 300 million potential patients and 800,000 doctors and thousands of other medical personnel to use their intelligence, creativity and innovative ability to seek efficiencies the way people do in other markets.&quot;

That has worked wonderfully so far.  The same scenario presented in the article happens with or without Obamacare.  Does the &quot;market&quot; really work the same for healthcare as for cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Getting off that path will require liberating 300 million potential patients and 800,000 doctors and thousands of other medical personnel to use their intelligence, creativity and innovative ability to seek efficiencies the way people do in other markets.&#8221;</p>
<p>That has worked wonderfully so far.  The same scenario presented in the article happens with or without Obamacare.  Does the &#8220;market&#8221; really work the same for healthcare as for cars?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ewin, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Ewin, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Art and Dr. Feldman. 
There is no real data that can measure true quality of the real gatekeepers (primary care physicians) and for that matter, any physician except for the outcomes data for surgical procedures, ER pneumonia treatment, OB C- section rates, etc.
Further, many physicians (especially primary care physicians) are saying no not only new entitled patients, but also to all patients with third party contracts.
They are in survival mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Art and Dr. Feldman.<br />
There is no real data that can measure true quality of the real gatekeepers (primary care physicians) and for that matter, any physician except for the outcomes data for surgical procedures, ER pneumonia treatment, OB C- section rates, etc.<br />
Further, many physicians (especially primary care physicians) are saying no not only new entitled patients, but also to all patients with third party contracts.<br />
They are in survival mode.</p>
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		<title>By: david porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>david porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really big U.S. companies are filing SEC documents stating that the newly enacted health care reform is costing them big bucks?  

AT&amp;T says it is booking $1Billion in costs; Caterpillar $150 Million, AK Steel $31 Million! Dems said it would LOWER health care costs for employers. So what’s going on?

Well, if you’ve taken college level accounting and know a thing a two about these booking costs you would know what the news isn’t telling you. 

The “costs” that these companies are “booking” are tax-free government subsidy payments that the companies receive to help these companies pay the cost of health care for their employees. 

The health care reform has taken away these tax-free government subsidy payments to these companies. 

It’s NOT that the companies are having to PAY OUT in cash the $1Billion or $150 Million or $31 Million, it’s that these companies are no longer getting government checks, they cannot “book” these checks as tax-free income anymore. 

The checks issued to these companies from the government are really your tax dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really big U.S. companies are filing SEC documents stating that the newly enacted health care reform is costing them big bucks?  </p>
<p>AT&amp;T says it is booking $1Billion in costs; Caterpillar $150 Million, AK Steel $31 Million! Dems said it would LOWER health care costs for employers. So what’s going on?</p>
<p>Well, if you’ve taken college level accounting and know a thing a two about these booking costs you would know what the news isn’t telling you. </p>
<p>The “costs” that these companies are “booking” are tax-free government subsidy payments that the companies receive to help these companies pay the cost of health care for their employees. </p>
<p>The health care reform has taken away these tax-free government subsidy payments to these companies. </p>
<p>It’s NOT that the companies are having to PAY OUT in cash the $1Billion or $150 Million or $31 Million, it’s that these companies are no longer getting government checks, they cannot “book” these checks as tax-free income anymore. </p>
<p>The checks issued to these companies from the government are really your tax dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Levit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Levit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:
I agree with youir assessment on subsidies.
There must be a better way to hold down costs other than expanding benefits (lower deductibles, co-pays, no annual or lifetime limits), and making the net cost cheaper.
Don Levit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:<br />
I agree with youir assessment on subsidies.<br />
There must be a better way to hold down costs other than expanding benefits (lower deductibles, co-pays, no annual or lifetime limits), and making the net cost cheaper.<br />
Don Levit</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, like Doctor Feldman, question the value [quality] approach as being able to &quot;replace&quot; volume [quantity] values. And hope that the &quot;Gatekeepers&quot; of care [physicians] stop the process before it grows any larger by simply rejecting it as detrimental to society based on the following facts:

Today we have too few physicians to supply quality care to the current insured.
Entitlement programs at current increasing rates do not provide profits to these small businessmen [physicians].
Increased quality will require increased time spent with patients and increased tests which drive up costs, which are out of control now.
Increased time spent with patients decreases the number of patients a physician treats.
The approach would make treating entitlement program recipients more profitable than is the case now but will take more time, thus physicians could “control” their time and income by reducing their patient loads which will greatly decrease the numbers of patients they would treat.
As this occurs, the government would determine which patients they would be allowed to see.

As small businessmen the smartest thing to do that would end the problem is for the physicians to just say no to new entitlement patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like Doctor Feldman, question the value [quality] approach as being able to &#8220;replace&#8221; volume [quantity] values. And hope that the &#8220;Gatekeepers&#8221; of care [physicians] stop the process before it grows any larger by simply rejecting it as detrimental to society based on the following facts:</p>
<p>Today we have too few physicians to supply quality care to the current insured.<br />
Entitlement programs at current increasing rates do not provide profits to these small businessmen [physicians].<br />
Increased quality will require increased time spent with patients and increased tests which drive up costs, which are out of control now.<br />
Increased time spent with patients decreases the number of patients a physician treats.<br />
The approach would make treating entitlement program recipients more profitable than is the case now but will take more time, thus physicians could “control” their time and income by reducing their patient loads which will greatly decrease the numbers of patients they would treat.<br />
As this occurs, the government would determine which patients they would be allowed to see.</p>
<p>As small businessmen the smartest thing to do that would end the problem is for the physicians to just say no to new entitlement patients.</p>
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		<title>By: James Piereson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Piereson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, Agree. Perhaps this is a little like subsidies for college tuition, which has driven tuition costs ever upward, requiring ever larger subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Agree. Perhaps this is a little like subsidies for college tuition, which has driven tuition costs ever upward, requiring ever larger subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: Doesn't Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doesn't Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen republican support for the &quot;health care mandate&quot; in many places.  Most notably, Lindsey Graham (and other republicans) on the Wyden/Bennett bill, and Romney Care....yet no republican wants to come out and say there is some common ground that we can build on.  Why is that?  Now they are calling it unconstitutional?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen republican support for the &#8220;health care mandate&#8221; in many places.  Most notably, Lindsey Graham (and other republicans) on the Wyden/Bennett bill, and Romney Care&#8230;.yet no republican wants to come out and say there is some common ground that we can build on.  Why is that?  Now they are calling it unconstitutional?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Feldman MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Feldman MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New CMS administrator nominee, Donald Berwick, claims that costs will be controlled by paying physicians based on value, not volume.

Besides the fact that physician fees are  only 20 percent of health care payments, exactly how is it possible to calculate a value for services? I know of no way to do that as it relates to individual physicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New CMS administrator nominee, Donald Berwick, claims that costs will be controlled by paying physicians based on value, not volume.</p>
<p>Besides the fact that physician fees are  only 20 percent of health care payments, exactly how is it possible to calculate a value for services? I know of no way to do that as it relates to individual physicians.</p>
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