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		<title>By: tattoos machine</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-mystery-of-health-care-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-76690</link>
		<dc:creator>tattoos machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog!
I really learned a lot. I have only known this issue after reading the whole posted article. Medicare should not be taking for granted; it’s an important issue in both legal and personal. Thank you for sharing it with us. 
Great post! Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog!<br />
I really learned a lot. I have only known this issue after reading the whole posted article. Medicare should not be taking for granted; it’s an important issue in both legal and personal. Thank you for sharing it with us.<br />
Great post! Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Mintz, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Mintz, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want quality care, you need to pay for it! I see a very selective subgroup of patients with advance lung disease. Many of these patients are on 15 medications or more. Medicare pays about $37.00 for a typical office visit. I am comfortable handling these patients on the basis of my training and experience. The family practice physicians and general internists have no interest or desire to care for such patients. Why go through a list of 15 medications at each visit, when you can see a younger patient on two medications and get paid the same amount.

I adopted an electronic medical record in 1995 and began electronic prescribing in 2009. I electronically review the patient&#039;s records from the hospital and the imaging centers. All of this effort takes time, but improves care. My associates are like minded, but they are both younger and married to husbands that are professionals. If the reimbursement model for caring for the chronically ill does not improve, I will probably continue to work, but my associates will simply drop out. 

Dr. Goodman points out some very interesting ideas, but the best method of reducing unnecessary care is to pay someone with advanced expertise more to provide the care needed. Nurse and physician extenders are fine for simple problems, but they are not capable of handling the complexity of 15 medications in a chronically ill person. Service follows reimbursement and once the reimbursement falls below the cost of delivery, the service stops. 

I think that Dr. Goodman has to much faith in Medicare Advantage programs. Many of these simply increase the cost of delivery of care by shifting administrative burdens on to the physician. I have never had a CT of the chest  or sinuses denied, but my staff and I spend needless time obtaining approval. The same issue exists for a multitude of medications. This is one aspect were traditional Medicare allows for delivery of care in a more efficient manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want quality care, you need to pay for it! I see a very selective subgroup of patients with advance lung disease. Many of these patients are on 15 medications or more. Medicare pays about $37.00 for a typical office visit. I am comfortable handling these patients on the basis of my training and experience. The family practice physicians and general internists have no interest or desire to care for such patients. Why go through a list of 15 medications at each visit, when you can see a younger patient on two medications and get paid the same amount.</p>
<p>I adopted an electronic medical record in 1995 and began electronic prescribing in 2009. I electronically review the patient&#8217;s records from the hospital and the imaging centers. All of this effort takes time, but improves care. My associates are like minded, but they are both younger and married to husbands that are professionals. If the reimbursement model for caring for the chronically ill does not improve, I will probably continue to work, but my associates will simply drop out. </p>
<p>Dr. Goodman points out some very interesting ideas, but the best method of reducing unnecessary care is to pay someone with advanced expertise more to provide the care needed. Nurse and physician extenders are fine for simple problems, but they are not capable of handling the complexity of 15 medications in a chronically ill person. Service follows reimbursement and once the reimbursement falls below the cost of delivery, the service stops. </p>
<p>I think that Dr. Goodman has to much faith in Medicare Advantage programs. Many of these simply increase the cost of delivery of care by shifting administrative burdens on to the physician. I have never had a CT of the chest  or sinuses denied, but my staff and I spend needless time obtaining approval. The same issue exists for a multitude of medications. This is one aspect were traditional Medicare allows for delivery of care in a more efficient manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Schilt, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-mystery-of-health-care-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-55236</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Schilt, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have no expertise in national health policy, I wish to comment as a provider and consumer.

While it may be overly simplistic, it seems that the solutions lie in having more of us with more skin in the game, return insurance to the concept of what one cannot afford to cover.  In &#039;75, costs were less out of control when we were all paying about a third of our costs out of pocket.

At the clinic where I work, we only see Medicaid.  The vast majority of families I see have cell phones, iPods, latte&#039;s in hand and promise their kids a happy meal if they&#039;re good.  From my observations we aren&#039;t subsidizing health care for the poor so much as we are subsidizing other non-essentials.  I rarely see a family that couldn&#039;t afford a  $5-10 copay.

I am also a doctor on the dole.  My wife has been on dialysis for almost 12 years, with medicare paying out over 3/4 million dollars and counting.  In my vision of health care, I should be paying at least $20,000 annual deductible before the government paid a dime.  

Of course if we were all paying more of our share, we would find much more cost saving innovation.  I met a dialysis patient who applied and became his own medicare supplier.  At the end of two years, after covering his supplies and billing Medicare for each dialysis treatment, he had 20,000 in his account.

It&#039;s unconscionable that my daughter who works for minimum wage is paying into Medicare to support millionaires on this system.  We can&#039;t continue attempts correct perceived injustices by passing on massive debts to our children.  And if we find it is acceptable to go into debt when it is a matter of life and death and righting wrongs, then we may as well as plan on joining Greece in total financial insolvency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have no expertise in national health policy, I wish to comment as a provider and consumer.</p>
<p>While it may be overly simplistic, it seems that the solutions lie in having more of us with more skin in the game, return insurance to the concept of what one cannot afford to cover.  In &#8217;75, costs were less out of control when we were all paying about a third of our costs out of pocket.</p>
<p>At the clinic where I work, we only see Medicaid.  The vast majority of families I see have cell phones, iPods, latte&#8217;s in hand and promise their kids a happy meal if they&#8217;re good.  From my observations we aren&#8217;t subsidizing health care for the poor so much as we are subsidizing other non-essentials.  I rarely see a family that couldn&#8217;t afford a  $5-10 copay.</p>
<p>I am also a doctor on the dole.  My wife has been on dialysis for almost 12 years, with medicare paying out over 3/4 million dollars and counting.  In my vision of health care, I should be paying at least $20,000 annual deductible before the government paid a dime.  </p>
<p>Of course if we were all paying more of our share, we would find much more cost saving innovation.  I met a dialysis patient who applied and became his own medicare supplier.  At the end of two years, after covering his supplies and billing Medicare for each dialysis treatment, he had 20,000 in his account.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unconscionable that my daughter who works for minimum wage is paying into Medicare to support millionaires on this system.  We can&#8217;t continue attempts correct perceived injustices by passing on massive debts to our children.  And if we find it is acceptable to go into debt when it is a matter of life and death and righting wrongs, then we may as well as plan on joining Greece in total financial insolvency.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ewin, MD</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-mystery-of-health-care-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-55195</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Ewin, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda, 
True care coordination (medical home) occurs when patients truly have a close relationship with a physician with a small practice. The patients determine quality, not some bureaucrat. 
For example, I had a 85 yo patient with congestive heart failure in Diabetic KetoAcidosis on a cruise ship in the Indian Ocean 2 weeks ago. Assisting a ship&#039;s doctor with an IV insulin drip and getting your patient safely home for $167/month is a pleasure. Trust me, the family was pleased.
Today I helped a 49 yo patient get his diabetic/cholesterol/HTN meds in jail...$133/month..
Trust me the patient and family (and their lawyer) were appreciative...
Concierge (all you can eat) is a true solution for our medical ails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,<br />
True care coordination (medical home) occurs when patients truly have a close relationship with a physician with a small practice. The patients determine quality, not some bureaucrat.<br />
For example, I had a 85 yo patient with congestive heart failure in Diabetic KetoAcidosis on a cruise ship in the Indian Ocean 2 weeks ago. Assisting a ship&#8217;s doctor with an IV insulin drip and getting your patient safely home for $167/month is a pleasure. Trust me, the family was pleased.<br />
Today I helped a 49 yo patient get his diabetic/cholesterol/HTN meds in jail&#8230;$133/month..<br />
Trust me the patient and family (and their lawyer) were appreciative&#8230;<br />
Concierge (all you can eat) is a true solution for our medical ails.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ewin, MD</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-mystery-of-health-care-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-55194</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Ewin, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John is correct. The best avenues continue to be outside of Medicare and all other third parties. We have a fee for service systems problem where the providers don&#039;t get paid unless they see the patient...
It&#039;s best to have a direct financial relationship with patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is correct. The best avenues continue to be outside of Medicare and all other third parties. We have a fee for service systems problem where the providers don&#8217;t get paid unless they see the patient&#8230;<br />
It&#8217;s best to have a direct financial relationship with patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Gorman</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-mystery-of-health-care-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-55131</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is remarkably little hard evidence that care coordination of the sort preached by ObamaCare reformers does much more than make life more difficult for patients by rationing care and expanding managerial overhead. The ObamaCare reformers have an engineering view of health care processes. Patients need a market view.

Fix the payments system. After that, systems for &quot;coordinating&quot; care will likely develop that take both supply realities and patient preferences into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is remarkably little hard evidence that care coordination of the sort preached by ObamaCare reformers does much more than make life more difficult for patients by rationing care and expanding managerial overhead. The ObamaCare reformers have an engineering view of health care processes. Patients need a market view.</p>
<p>Fix the payments system. After that, systems for &#8220;coordinating&#8221; care will likely develop that take both supply realities and patient preferences into account.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Bob Kramer</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the-mystery-of-health-care-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-55126</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Bob Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John;

I am beginning to sound like an old record. Quality of care, utilizing technology only when medically necessary, and injecting a good dose of honesty and integrity in the delivery of care is what will save our system. Yes, there should be care that is acceptable for all of us, but if there are those who want extra bells and whistles, let them have it if they will pay for it out of pocket. If primary care is to survive, you will see a big increase in personalized or concierge medicine; if there are more cuts in Medicare reimbursement, you will see more physicians opting out. Then where will the patients go? Why can&#039;t reasonable people address all aspects, not merely the ones that effect their monetary gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John;</p>
<p>I am beginning to sound like an old record. Quality of care, utilizing technology only when medically necessary, and injecting a good dose of honesty and integrity in the delivery of care is what will save our system. Yes, there should be care that is acceptable for all of us, but if there are those who want extra bells and whistles, let them have it if they will pay for it out of pocket. If primary care is to survive, you will see a big increase in personalized or concierge medicine; if there are more cuts in Medicare reimbursement, you will see more physicians opting out. Then where will the patients go? Why can&#8217;t reasonable people address all aspects, not merely the ones that effect their monetary gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth A. Fisher, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth A. Fisher, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two additional points to think about; 1) Internal Medicine sub-specialists, Cardiologists, Nephrologists could also be the primary care providers for their patients who do not have a primary care physician coordinating all their care. This would address the critical primary care physician shortage which is now a major problem. 2) We need a national central computerized medical record system with access to the patients total medical record and guidelines to improve overall medical care. Security could be assured by having large penalties for unauthorized access. Hospitals and physicians accessing the system would pay a small fee for each encounter. Thank You, Kenneth A. 
Fisher, M.D., http://drkennethfisher.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two additional points to think about; 1) Internal Medicine sub-specialists, Cardiologists, Nephrologists could also be the primary care providers for their patients who do not have a primary care physician coordinating all their care. This would address the critical primary care physician shortage which is now a major problem. 2) We need a national central computerized medical record system with access to the patients total medical record and guidelines to improve overall medical care. Security could be assured by having large penalties for unauthorized access. Hospitals and physicians accessing the system would pay a small fee for each encounter. Thank You, Kenneth A.<br />
Fisher, M.D., <a href="http://drkennethfisher.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://drkennethfisher.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always intrigued when people use the word &quot;accountable.&quot;  In my experience, people using the word are trying to shift blame rather than handle the problem itself.  

The logic usually goes something like this, &quot;The fire in our building is a huge issue, and we have to hold someone accountable for it right now!&quot;  And then the person goes through a process of creating a rubric of checklists that are supposed to point to the guilty party.  They don&#039;t worry about the fact that the building is burning to the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always intrigued when people use the word &#8220;accountable.&#8221;  In my experience, people using the word are trying to shift blame rather than handle the problem itself.  </p>
<p>The logic usually goes something like this, &#8220;The fire in our building is a huge issue, and we have to hold someone accountable for it right now!&#8221;  And then the person goes through a process of creating a rubric of checklists that are supposed to point to the guilty party.  They don&#8217;t worry about the fact that the building is burning to the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Uwe Reinhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uwe Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known Ken Thorpe for about 20 years now and I don&#039;t care what they say about him -- up to and including calling him a perpetrator of a heinous crime: he&#039;s alright.

I do believe, though, that John offers some valuable comments here that cannot be brushed aside: for purely political reasons that go back to the founding of Medicare, that program has never been allowed to be a clinically or economically prudent purchaser of health care, as Ken, no doubt would agree. 

At a recent Cato Institute meeting I was taken to task by some proponents of the single-payer for not using my forum to advocate for the single payer program (as if I naturally owed that to anyone). My response was exactly that in our political system such a program probably would not be allowed to be a good purchaser and coordinator of health care. Whereupon I read a blog smearing me for serving on the board of a Medicaid managed care company that does try to coordinate care -- perhaps not as well as ideally we would like to, but we do try. 

Over the years I have always leaned towards Paul Ellwood&#039;s and Alain Enthoven&#039;s vision of a combination of managed competition among insurers and managed care by insurers, ideally with delivery systems that are clinically integrated -- like Geisinger or Mayo or Kaiser. Some of them might employ carve outs wehere that makes sense.

In any event, I think John should pull back the arrest warrant for Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known Ken Thorpe for about 20 years now and I don&#8217;t care what they say about him &#8212; up to and including calling him a perpetrator of a heinous crime: he&#8217;s alright.</p>
<p>I do believe, though, that John offers some valuable comments here that cannot be brushed aside: for purely political reasons that go back to the founding of Medicare, that program has never been allowed to be a clinically or economically prudent purchaser of health care, as Ken, no doubt would agree. </p>
<p>At a recent Cato Institute meeting I was taken to task by some proponents of the single-payer for not using my forum to advocate for the single payer program (as if I naturally owed that to anyone). My response was exactly that in our political system such a program probably would not be allowed to be a good purchaser and coordinator of health care. Whereupon I read a blog smearing me for serving on the board of a Medicaid managed care company that does try to coordinate care &#8212; perhaps not as well as ideally we would like to, but we do try. </p>
<p>Over the years I have always leaned towards Paul Ellwood&#8217;s and Alain Enthoven&#8217;s vision of a combination of managed competition among insurers and managed care by insurers, ideally with delivery systems that are clinically integrated &#8212; like Geisinger or Mayo or Kaiser. Some of them might employ carve outs wehere that makes sense.</p>
<p>In any event, I think John should pull back the arrest warrant for Ken.</p>
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