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	<title>Comments on: Why Can’t Republicans and Democrats Get Together on Health Reform?</title>
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		<title>By: Occupational safety officer bc</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/why-cant-republicans-and-democrats-get-together-on-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-109768</link>
		<dc:creator>Occupational safety officer bc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Link</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John points out the lacking aspects of the current plans by the democrats which will hurt the economy and therefore Americans. The Republican plans leave out details on how the public and industry will adapt, and thus government mechanisms to look out for the public. There nothing more effective than market forces, so any plan must be a balanced equation with respect to cost, quality and access and be backed up with a mandated balanced budget.

What concerns me is the absence of the root cause issues, cultural expectations and quality of life issues from open discussion in Washington. Most believe it would be political suicide, but we elect people to address the needs of the public and not the needs of their next election. The American public must be made aware of their role and to take personal responsibility for their actions in the mix. The only way to do this is through market forces, and hopefully responsible voting. For instance, provide individuals help in addressing poor healthcare behaviors and then charge them more if reasonable improvement metrics are not met. Guess I won&#039;t get elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John points out the lacking aspects of the current plans by the democrats which will hurt the economy and therefore Americans. The Republican plans leave out details on how the public and industry will adapt, and thus government mechanisms to look out for the public. There nothing more effective than market forces, so any plan must be a balanced equation with respect to cost, quality and access and be backed up with a mandated balanced budget.</p>
<p>What concerns me is the absence of the root cause issues, cultural expectations and quality of life issues from open discussion in Washington. Most believe it would be political suicide, but we elect people to address the needs of the public and not the needs of their next election. The American public must be made aware of their role and to take personal responsibility for their actions in the mix. The only way to do this is through market forces, and hopefully responsible voting. For instance, provide individuals help in addressing poor healthcare behaviors and then charge them more if reasonable improvement metrics are not met. Guess I won&#8217;t get elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Goodman: &quot;If you are prone to exaggeration, you could almost say that Republicans want everyone to have the same subsidy...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is indeed exaggeration, in the sense that Republicans invariably supplement their elegant fixed-value tax credit proposals by tacking on various other subsidies for people with low incomes or chronic conditions.  Even assuming you can afford to do both, it&#039;s hard to see the point of the core proposal.

Otherwise the generalizations seem fair enough.  I only wish there were a third option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Goodman: &#8220;If you are prone to exaggeration, you could almost say that Republicans want everyone to have the same subsidy&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is indeed exaggeration, in the sense that Republicans invariably supplement their elegant fixed-value tax credit proposals by tacking on various other subsidies for people with low incomes or chronic conditions.  Even assuming you can afford to do both, it&#8217;s hard to see the point of the core proposal.</p>
<p>Otherwise the generalizations seem fair enough.  I only wish there were a third option.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Timmins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Timmins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points John, and although I thought you would never get to the punch line - you did.  You concluded with &quot;ObamaCare would cause massive layoffs, draconian wage cuts and eventually a complete restructuring of the labor market.&quot;  I think we should face it.  Even though any logical thinking person would come to this conclusion or at least something approaching this conclusion, we have to assume that Obama and his minions are not oblivious to the same conclusion.  So unless we are to believe that everyone in this administration and most of the congress are blithering morons, we have to assume there is something more important than the healthcare agenda at stake for the dems.

I realize that we must play nice and &quot;play the game&quot; as if this were really about &quot;reforming healthcare&quot;, but it is pretty obvious that healthcare is a &quot;straw man&quot; proposal to get to the ultimate goal of control of the economy and public acceptance of central planning.  And as you infer in conclusion, there just &quot;ain&#039;t no way&quot; to reach agreement without one side completely selling out.  Therefore this &quot;healthcare summit&quot; is going to be nothing but a posturing contest to see who can look the best on TV to John Q. - more politics as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points John, and although I thought you would never get to the punch line &#8211; you did.  You concluded with &#8220;ObamaCare would cause massive layoffs, draconian wage cuts and eventually a complete restructuring of the labor market.&#8221;  I think we should face it.  Even though any logical thinking person would come to this conclusion or at least something approaching this conclusion, we have to assume that Obama and his minions are not oblivious to the same conclusion.  So unless we are to believe that everyone in this administration and most of the congress are blithering morons, we have to assume there is something more important than the healthcare agenda at stake for the dems.</p>
<p>I realize that we must play nice and &#8220;play the game&#8221; as if this were really about &#8220;reforming healthcare&#8221;, but it is pretty obvious that healthcare is a &#8220;straw man&#8221; proposal to get to the ultimate goal of control of the economy and public acceptance of central planning.  And as you infer in conclusion, there just &#8220;ain&#8217;t no way&#8221; to reach agreement without one side completely selling out.  Therefore this &#8220;healthcare summit&#8221; is going to be nothing but a posturing contest to see who can look the best on TV to John Q. &#8211; more politics as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Norval Cummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norval Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bills written and passed by those in congress are written by lawyers and in favor of them.  No one including the president should be treated any better than the citizens of the United States. Write a bill and pass it bringing all benefits down to our level Pensions Medical and the like.. We do not need to support those coming into this country eligibly.  Feed them a meal and send them home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bills written and passed by those in congress are written by lawyers and in favor of them.  No one including the president should be treated any better than the citizens of the United States. Write a bill and pass it bringing all benefits down to our level Pensions Medical and the like.. We do not need to support those coming into this country eligibly.  Feed them a meal and send them home.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Havighurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Havighurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom H. (above) asks a good question.  In fact, today&#039;s progressives are much more interested in growing government than in looking out for the true interests of working Americans, whom they have always claimed to represent.  For more on the subject of fairness in health care, see the symposium (which I co-edited) entitled, &quot;Who Pays? Who Benefits? Distributional Issues in Health Care,&quot; downloadable at http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/journaltoc?journal=lcp&amp;toc=lcptoc69autumn2006.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom H. (above) asks a good question.  In fact, today&#8217;s progressives are much more interested in growing government than in looking out for the true interests of working Americans, whom they have always claimed to represent.  For more on the subject of fairness in health care, see the symposium (which I co-edited) entitled, &#8220;Who Pays? Who Benefits? Distributional Issues in Health Care,&#8221; downloadable at <a href="http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/journaltoc?journal=lcp&#038;toc=lcptoc69autumn2006.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/journaltoc?journal=lcp&#038;toc=lcptoc69autumn2006.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that what you say is true, John. But Why? Why would Democrats be indifferent about who pays? Don&#039;t they have any sense of justice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that what you say is true, John. But Why? Why would Democrats be indifferent about who pays? Don&#8217;t they have any sense of justice?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Ingles</title>
		<link>http://healthblog.ncpa.org/why-cant-republicans-and-democrats-get-together-on-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-53933</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devon:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The Left-leaning Democrats (but not the moderates) want to force everyone into joining comprehensive health plans that gouge young immortals to subsidize older, less-healthy individuals.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s simply a way of disguising a tax.  The difference in price between mandatory community-rated coverage and a risk-priced policy is a head tax.  This is highly regressive, which they attempt to remedy by varying the premium with income, thereby turning the head tax into a graduated income tax.  As you have already reported, the marginal rates are extremely high:
http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/hidden-effective-marginal-tax-rate-in-obamacare/ 

Insurance rates will certainly need to be adjusted from time to time, requiring changes to the shadow income tax rates.  This will require passing a bill for every rate change, or else delegating the power to set tax rates to some other agency.

I have no problem with community rating as a vehicle to subsidize high-risk consumers.  After all, employer-based insurance has been doing it this way for decades.  But using forced participation as a hidden tax scheme is a bit like financing the public school system by forcing everyone to spend their entire food budget on bake sale cookies.

Maybe it&#039;s just me, but forcing people to buy an expensive product so that a small fraction of the proceeds can be used as tax revenue seems rather inefficient.  As with the school analogy, I can live with the taxes, but please don&#039;t try to shove the cookies down my throat.

NCPA should start a &quot;No Cookies&quot; campaign.  You can put me down for a few bumper stickers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;The Left-leaning Democrats (but not the moderates) want to force everyone into joining comprehensive health plans that gouge young immortals to subsidize older, less-healthy individuals.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s simply a way of disguising a tax.  The difference in price between mandatory community-rated coverage and a risk-priced policy is a head tax.  This is highly regressive, which they attempt to remedy by varying the premium with income, thereby turning the head tax into a graduated income tax.  As you have already reported, the marginal rates are extremely high:<br />
<a href="http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/hidden-effective-marginal-tax-rate-in-obamacare/" rel="nofollow">http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/hidden-effective-marginal-tax-rate-in-obamacare/</a> </p>
<p>Insurance rates will certainly need to be adjusted from time to time, requiring changes to the shadow income tax rates.  This will require passing a bill for every rate change, or else delegating the power to set tax rates to some other agency.</p>
<p>I have no problem with community rating as a vehicle to subsidize high-risk consumers.  After all, employer-based insurance has been doing it this way for decades.  But using forced participation as a hidden tax scheme is a bit like financing the public school system by forcing everyone to spend their entire food budget on bake sale cookies.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but forcing people to buy an expensive product so that a small fraction of the proceeds can be used as tax revenue seems rather inefficient.  As with the school analogy, I can live with the taxes, but please don&#8217;t try to shove the cookies down my throat.</p>
<p>NCPA should start a &#8220;No Cookies&#8221; campaign.  You can put me down for a few bumper stickers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth A. Fisher, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth A. Fisher, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does health care reform have to mean spending more on health care? We in America practice an exorbitant style of medicine, over $7000 for every women, man and child. This is much more than any other country. It is a technological disaster in large part encouraged by the Congress itself via its control over Medicare. Instead of addressing the causes for this overspending, our political class has chosen their usual solution to a problem, make it more complicated and spend even more money. There are solutions to this problem; we can as a nation cover all Americans for a lesser percentage of gross domestic product that is more in-line with other industrial countries. Possible solutions, such as enhancing physician responsibility to deliver more appropriate and rational care are presented on my blog, http://drkennethfisher.blogspot.com. Thank you, Kenneth A. Fisher, M.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does health care reform have to mean spending more on health care? We in America practice an exorbitant style of medicine, over $7000 for every women, man and child. This is much more than any other country. It is a technological disaster in large part encouraged by the Congress itself via its control over Medicare. Instead of addressing the causes for this overspending, our political class has chosen their usual solution to a problem, make it more complicated and spend even more money. There are solutions to this problem; we can as a nation cover all Americans for a lesser percentage of gross domestic product that is more in-line with other industrial countries. Possible solutions, such as enhancing physician responsibility to deliver more appropriate and rational care are presented on my blog, <a href="http://drkennethfisher.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://drkennethfisher.blogspot.com</a>. Thank you, Kenneth A. Fisher, M.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald J. Palmisano, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald J. Palmisano, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work, John.  Here is my tweet about your article.
Donald

http://twitter.com/djpNEWS
DJPNEWS 
Need analysis like this &amp; no spin by Congress-Why Repubs &amp; Dems can’t get together #hsr by #JohnGoodman http://tinyurl.com/yzm7fdp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work, John.  Here is my tweet about your article.<br />
Donald</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/djpNEWS" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/djpNEWS</a><br />
DJPNEWS<br />
Need analysis like this &amp; no spin by Congress-Why Repubs &amp; Dems can’t get together #hsr by #JohnGoodman <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzm7fdp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yzm7fdp</a></p>
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